Mark Armitage Speaks

Hi guys,

I contacted Mark Armitage regarding the post that teddyv put up because I wanted to know the truth. He was gracious enough to clarify the triceratops soft tissue find for us as well as some of the issues regarding the university.

Heres the post in question:

Quote Originally Posted by bluesky22 View Post
snip >>>But a new discovery by scientist Mark Armitage of the California State University may well turn the history of human civilization upside down.

Armitage was recently on a dig in Montana when he came across the largest triceratops horn ever unearthed. Upon further examination of the unique specimen with a high-powered microscope Armitage discovered something that no scientist had ever seen on a dinosaur sample before – soft tissue.

When he published his findings his colleagues were stunned, because the existence of soft tissue, which should degrade and disappear over millions of years, suggests that dinosaurs didn’t go extinct 60 million years ago, but rather, were alive and well in North America just several thousand years ago.

One would think that such a notable discovery would lead to more research into the possibility that humans and dinosaurs may have co-existed at one point in time. But that’s far from what happened.Armitrage’s funding was pulled, his research was silenced and his job at CSU was terminated.<<<<

Teddyv>>>>From the reading I’ve done, Armitage was not receiving any funding from CSUN. He was a part-time microscope tech. He was not a tenured university professor, nor a researcher at CSUN, therefore that last statement is incorrect. He did have apparently have some biology training, though not specifically regarding the bone tissue or paleontology (as far as I know). The dig was reportedly undertaken with other YEC researchers, not CSUN. Whether he deserved to be fired could be contested. It’s in the courts.<<<<

Mark Armitage
3:25 AM (4 hours ago)

Hi, Joel, and thanks for the question and the opportunity to clarify.

There are errors actually with what the blog stated and with what your friend stated.

Please feel free to pass my entire email to him.

FIRST THE BLOG POST [errors] will be corrected by my {corrections}:

[Armitage was recently on a dig in Montana when he came across the largest triceratops horn ever unearthed.]

{no – not the largest unearthed – the largest unearthed at the site I was at.}

[Upon further examination of the unique specimen with a high-powered microscope Armitage discovered something that no scientist had ever seen on a dinosaur sample before soft tissue.]

{Not true – soft tissues have been seen before in dinosaur bones – even back to the 60’s!! MOSTLY, however in heavily encapsulated bones like femurs. What I discovered which was a world-first, were LARGE soft sheets of fibrillar BONE in a Triceratops HORN which was not encapsulated but rather, since it had been ripped away from the skull (no skull was present), it was WIDE OPEN to the microbes, bacteria, water, fungi, roots and mud from the Montana environment. Moreover, stunningly preserved cells that look like they died last week were found inside the horn which was not fossilized (another world-first). So three world-first discoveries were, Triceratops horn, soft fibrillar sheets, and beautifully preserved cells in such a compromised environment. }

[When he published his findings his colleagues were stunned, because the existence of soft tissue, which should degrade and disappear over millions of years, suggests that dinosaurs didn’t go extinct 60 million years ago, but rather, were alive and well in North America just several thousand years ago.]

{Most of my colleagues were pleased and congratulated me. ONE professor was ticked because he could not stand that I was a YEC. I had given FULL disclosure about my YEC convictions when I interviewed. So when I got published and received kudos in the Department and was written up in the department newsletter, he went bonkers.}

[One would think that such a notable discovery would lead to more research into the possibility that humans and dinosaurs may have co-existed at one point in time. But that is far from what happened.]

{As I said ONE faculty member was ticked and he convinced the Dean to terminate me and to change my status from Permanent Part time (contained clearly in my Interview and Appointment letters) to “Temporary”. That is the basis of my lawsuit which is going VERY well I might add and which will end in a nice settlement, no doubt}

[Armitage’s funding was pulled, his research was silenced and his job at CSU was terminated.]

{The university did not fund my research but they WANTED me to publish and asked me frequently to submit papers to journals (also part of the lawsuit). The lab was made available to me to do biological research on biological tissues. In fact my job description required me to have JOURNEYMAN LEVEL knowledge of ALL kinds of tissue processing, AND to stay abreast of all NEW tissue processing technologies (like ancient dino tissues). This is also a part of the lawsuit and I have emails and letters from ALL of them requesting this.}

NOW THE COMMENTS BY POSTER:

I have to say he is careful with his words and diplomatic, which is refreshing, however, there are {errors}

[From the reading I’ve done, Armitage was not receiving any funding from CSUN.]

{partially correct, I was of course paid a salary and given full benefits even though I only worked 20 hours per week. The dept. could not afford more than 20 hours due to my high level of training AND COST.
HOWEVER, beyond my salary, I was granted access to use the lab facilities, equipment, reagents, etc., I was paid a substantial amount to produce a series of confocal microscopy videos that the university uses to this day: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLO0yDSkagDljzI0bdM5m1njrdLdVa80_N}

[He was a part-time microscope tech.] {Technically, I worked only 20 hours per week because that was all they could AFFORD. However once I got the lab running and it was a”booming lab” (per the department chair and others) they begged me to work more hours – all part of the lawsuit)}

[He was not a tenured university professor, nor a researcher at CSUN]

{No I was not tenured, but I did lots of teaching and was referred to as “professor” by department leaders. I was also offered to take over and teach a GRADUATE LEVEL imaging course (part of the lawsuit). As mentioned before I was constantly asked to do research and to publish because of my existing publication history. But my technical position was “Electron Microscopy Tech.” BY THE WAY – does my critic know anything about electron microscopy?}

[He did have apparently have some biology training, though not specifically regarding the bone tissue or paleontology (as far as I know).]
{I have a Master’s degree in biology and Electron Microscopy which is WHY the university hired me. My experience and publication history made me a standout among ALL the candidates and THAT is why I was hired. Tissue is tissue (whether bone or soft body tissues).}

NOW, to insinuate that “paleontology training” is needed is nothing but a straw man. Can he explain to me WHAT paleontology training is? Can he differentiate it from “tissue processing”, “microscopy sample preparation”, scanning electron microscopy” and “transmission electron microscopy” ALL of which I am an expert in AND a widely published researcher in…? And does he recognize that this is what Mary Schweitzer did? Methinks not.
Does he know and can he recite verbatim what Mary Schweitzer did when she processed the soft tissues she found? I CAN. I CAN RECITE IT BY HEART, not because I memorized her work, but because I am an expert in the microscopy that she performed. Therefore “paleontology training” (whatever that is) is NOT required to find, process and photograph soft dinosaur tissues.}

[The dig was reportedly undertaken with other YEC researchers, not CSUN.]
{Correct}
[Whether he deserved to be fired could be contested. It’s in the courts.}
{YES IT IS, and I can state emphatically that it is going well.}

Please thank your friend for his open mind and his willingness to hear the WHOLE story, and I do sincerely hope he is willing to hear the whole story and not what is printed by some people online.

thanks,
Mark

Mark Armitage, M.S., Ed.S.
Micro Specialist, Thousand Oaks, CA
213-248-1652

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